It magnifies the Live View by 5.9x or 11.7x, allowing for precise manual focusing on a star. The cameras were on a Star Adventurer Mini tracker to keep stars pinpoints, though the ground blurred in the longer exposures. All images are equally well exposed. All explained in my ebook! I have not seen such “amp” glows in cameras (at least in the DSLRs I’ve used) for a number of years, so seeing it in the new Sony a7III was another surprise. For astrophotography, none of those auto functions are of any value. Bright Monitoring does not appear in any of the in-camera menus you can scroll through, so you won’t stumble across it. They can cost anywhere from $100 to $400. You can push it to maybe 20 seconds if you won't be looking at it in a large size (ie. Use the ISO that will produce a well exposed histogram for the shutter speed and aperture dictated by the scene. Astrophotography can be very rewarding when you see the end result of a great composition and exposure staring back at you through the LCD screen on your camera. Wow! Here I compare all three cameras for this effect in two-minute tracked exposures taken with Long Exposure Noise Reduction (i.e. You believe it will be the case, but did you know? This is a Reddit's best source for talking about the Sony Alpha photography system. I can assure you that even the ace programmers of Raw development software who I have spoken to are puzzled by this as well. This is an annoying flaw, though applying “flat fields” or ad hoc local adjustments should eliminate this. BUT … what the Sony did exhibit was better details in the shadows than the Nikon. But the a7III should do the job for bright auroras, the ones with rapid motion worth recording with video, plus offer 24 megapixels for high-quality stills of all sky subjects. Can switch off face detection here so that the autofocus does not get sidetracked by faces. Yes, the a7III softens stars and noise slightly but I do not consider it to be “eating stars.” Stars are all there, to the same limiting magnitude in shots taken with other camera brands. Indeed, at slower ISOs and longer exposures, more stars are visible. Try 24mm, f/4, 15 seconds, iso 1600. But this test re-emphasized my thoughts that Canon DSLRs remain the best for long-exposure deep-sky imaging where you can give images as much exposure time as they need, while the ISO invariant Sony and Nikons exceed at nightscape shooting where exposures are often limited and plagued by dark shadows and noise. it is to be expected that, on A7s3 with bigger pixels, the effect will still strongly show up and that sony is still turning a deaf ear to the astrophotographers. This is much more apparent when comparing files of those ISO levels from dpreviews studio tests between the bodies. The three cameras I tested are comparable in specs but not price as the Canon and Nikon models are older. The advantage of purely electronic viewing is that the image you are previewing matches the image you’ll capture, at least for short exposures. Also missing, and present on most new Canons, are Multiple Exposure modes for in-camera stacking of exposures in a Brighten mode (for star trails) or Averaging mode (for noise smoothing). Posted by 2 years ago. Sony A7III Software. Effectiveness of Long Exposure Noise Reduction (LENR), Quality of Raw files, such as sharpness of stars, Brightness of Live View for framing and focusing. But this is a tough call. That’s why using exactly same sensor, different make and model cameras may produce diff quality images.). Thanks for the suggestions! And the new a7sIII rumoured to come out soon would also be interesting to test. Slightly bigger stars are turned into green blobs or get a green halo. I saw none of the extreme effects reported by others with other Sonys, where masses of faint stars disappeared or turned into multi-colored blotches. I have the A7S, A7RM2 and A7M3 and have been playing with the A7S since 2014, 2016 A7RM2 and 2018 A7M3 with Astro MW and other things. I’m really on the fence on whether to get this camera. I wanted to reach out to the community and see if anyone has great astrophotography settings they've used. Its red sensitivity is not bad, but its lack of a light frame buffer results a less productive imaging cycle when using LENR on deep-sky shooting. You’re saying the a7III will show less noise than the competitors when used under very low light conditions. The images shown here were shot at lower ISOs to underexposure the dark scene by 2 to 4 stops or EV. As with Sony’s other popular Alpha 7 and 9 series cameras, the new Alpha 7III is a full-frame mirrorless camera, a class of camera Canon and Nikon have yet to offer, though models are rumoured or promised. Having some investment in the Sony ecosystem (Nex 5N + various lenses), It’s an area I’d hope Sony address, and would remove an upgrade barrier for me that’s almost as significant as the start eater issue. (True 4K is actually 4096 x 2160 pixels.). So even if you should only do a 12 second shot for no star trails with a 12mm f/4 for a big print you can increase the ISO or just leave at 800 and brighten in post. (See my test at https://amazingsky.net/2017/08/09/testing-the-canon-6d-mark-ii-for-nightscapes/). Since publishing the first results a number of people commented with suggestions for further testing, to check claims that: For the additional tests, I shot all images within a 3-hour span on the night of June 5/6, using the Sony a7III, Nikon D750, and Canon 6D MkII, with the respective lenses: the Laowa 15mm lens at f/2, the Sigma 14mm Art at f/2, and the Rokinon 14mm SP at f/2.5. It is good, though not great, for long-exposure deep-sky imaging. Neighborhood squirrel after the first snow of the season. The S/N ratio is determined by the individual pixels — they don’t know how big a sensor they belong to and won’t behave differently in a cropped sensor vs a large sensor. CANON: The 6D MkII’s lack of an ISO invariant sensor rears its ugly head in underexposed shadows in dark-sky nightscapes. Is the a7III as good for low-light video as the Sony a7s models, with their larger 8.5-micron pixels? I just read your evaluation of the Sony A7III in Sky & Telescope. Exposure is set with the camera shutter speed making 30s the maximum. Sony E Mount, Sony A Mount, legacy Minolta A mount, our spiritual cousins in the RX series ... all are welcome here. Sony’s third generation mirrorless camera, the A7R III, has been quite a popular choice ever since it came out among photographers who use the Sony camera system.The Sony A7-series cameras have a myriad of different settings and buttons, which can be confusing to understand, especially for first-time Sony users. This is from a thin metal mask in front of the sensor. Sony A7 III, A7R, A9 III JPG Settings There are two types of OOC JPEG settings to look at when it comes to JPG Quality on the A7 III and A9 series. The thinner body allows the use of lenses from any manufacturer, albeit requiring the right adapter, an additional expense. The downside is that when shooting is underway you get no reassuring indication anything is happening, except for a brief LED flash when an image is written to a card. The top left surface lacks any physical controls while the upper-right surface of the A7III is like previous models, with a mode dial (which lacks a locking mechanism and swaps three Custom modes of the A7RIII for a Scene mode), a shutter release with an ON/OFF power collar, a dedicated exposure compensation dial, and a pair of custom buttons. And its light-frame buffer is great for minimizing shooting time for a series of deep-sky images with in-camera LENR dark frames, which I find are the best for minimizing thermal noise. 2. For astrophotography, none of those auto functions are of any value. What more do you want? I shot images over a wide-range of exposures, from 2 seconds to 2 minutes, but show only the ones covering the 2-second to 4-second range, where the “star-eater” anti-aliasing or noise smoothing applied by Sony kicks in (above 3.2 seconds it seems). But the dark shadows in underexposed nightscapes withstood shadow recovery better in the uncompressed files. It intrudes into the light path ever so slightly. This might be an aid, or an annoyance. Shot with A7III and 200-600mm lens. I may upgrade to A7SM2 and compare to A7M3. This Sony lens review intends to look for what can be classed at the best lens for Sony A7iii astrophotography. I hope you found these latest tests of interest. I.E. Instead, you have to go to the Camera Settings 2 page, then select Still Image–Custom Key. And both cameras performed much better than the ISO “variant” Canon in this test. Taking a dark frame with LENR did not eliminate this, and it should, demonstrating again that for whatever reason in the a7III LENR is not as effective as it should be. Here’s another area where the new Sony a7III really shines. The first refers to the compression and resolution of the file itself and are found in Camera Settings 1 / Quality Image Size 1 (page 1/14). Yes, and the a7III is poor in that it has the amp glow I show in the Deep-Sky images. This is wonderful for taking a set of noise-reduced deep-sky images for later stacking. But that’s not removing stars. For most people, the a7III is going to downright rock at low-light and landscape astrophotography. — Alan, Hi Jeff, just a slightly diff angle of approach to AlanD re: your noise question. You obviously put some time into your tests. This feature is little known and utilized, and only Canon full-frame cameras offer it. Close. then, even in your case with ~3pixels wide stars, the comparison between 3.2s and 4s clearly shows a reduction of the stars “peak” brigthness, and notably less weak stars. Hi Alan, Just wondering if you have done a test of the dark frame noise from the a7iii, or for any of your camera reviews. Rendered by PID 30836 on r2-app-0ac30b6d0efcd6480 at 2020-12-14 14:43:06.642542+00:00 running 85e58d4 country code: JP. It varies with even Canon full-frame. Use the same lens as well. Stars are visible to the same limiting magnitude and close double stars are just as well resolved across all exposures. If I get more results I’ll update the test. If you measure the noise of individual pixels, larger pixels will have less noise simply because they are larger and can gather more light in any given amount of time. Why would that be? Well, it seems a7iii can be used for astrophotography, then what about a7riii? I trust you’ll find the review of value. Surprise! Full-frame and cropped-frame cameras with similar sized pixels have similar levels of noise. (what software subtracts such dark frames? • The a7III’s red sensitivity for recording H-Alpha-emitting nebulas was poor. Sony a7III, Zeiss Batis 18mm @ f/2.8, 25s, ISO 3200. I bought one and I'm truly enjoying it for night photography. I have used Sony cameras for astrophotography for years and have never noticed a star eater problem. Those underexposed images were then boosted later in processing (in Adobe Camera Raw) by the required Exposure Value to equalize the image brightness. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Bulb Timer or Long Exposures Lighter Weight / Smaller Size While i know how to turn on LENR, does this apply only to jpegs, or to RAW shooting as well? The Canon 5D series also has this. I rate the Sony excellent for nightscape imaging and for real-time aurora videos. Certainly not as good as the Canon rendered with Camera Raw. The colored stars you are seeing is from odd deBayering going on which is also present to some extent in the Nikon. Pixels, or photosites, do not “know” how large a sensor they belong to. This movie tutorial covers the following camera settings General Recommendations Optimum Shooting Mode, Drive Mode Focus Mode and Aperture Range, Recommended File Format and File Type (Compressed or Uncompressed Raw) Optimum Focus Settings Focus Area and Lock-On AF options, Face Detect Focus Priority (choosing a specific face to lock on and track), AF track sensitivity … And neither are 4K. I would invite you to further read my comments and images added in the Addendum. To me your 2 versus 4 second exposure comparison also shows the tell-tale signs. In conclusion, here’s my summary recommendations for the three competitive cameras, rating them from Poor, to Fair, to Good, to Excellent. Some show green stars, some red stars, some show stars with green hot pixels, some show stars with little color at all! Iet’s say you are comparing similar size photos between sensors that have larger vs smaller pixels. Just info for those who have never seen the apps. This allows the Live View image to reflect the camera settings in use, better simulating the actual exposure, even without Bright Monitoring on. We will see if your theory proves correct! https://blog.kasson.com/a7riii/sony-a7riii-star-spreading-raw-composites/. I am very impressed! In real life images, such as I have shown, it makes very little difference even in deep-sky images which are the most demanding of star quality. This seems to be related to availability and quality of Sony SDKs, and is a big barrier for me. The Bulb Timer would allow setting long Bulb exposures of any length in the camera. Also the A7iii can handle higher ISO. For the intervalometer, I don’t see a setting for exposure duration, just interval, start time, and number of exposures. It is not clear if Sony’s compressed Raws are 12-bit vs. 14-bit for uncompressed files. At the Raw-files from dpreview.com shows that a7rIII much less noisy than the Canon 6D and Nikon D750. Noise will be higher in sensors with smaller individual pixels. Go to dpreview.com for comparison tools to allow you to judge any cameras you want on standard test charts. But astrophotography, which often requires extreme contrast boosts, reveals non-uniform illumination of the sensor itself, regardless of the optics, originating from hardware elements in front of the sensor casting shadows onto the sensor. All three are “entry-level” full-frame cameras, with 24 to 26 megapixels and in a similar price league of $1,500 (Nikon) to 2,000 (Sony). I also don’t really think I need the 42MP resolution I have with the a7RII (I thought I did, which is one reason I bought it), even though I do mostly landscapes and nightscapes. Astrophotography Camera Settings. See what that gets you. I believe it is more likely its all about total area of the sensor and not the size of the pixels. For another example of using the Sony a7III for recording real-time video of the night sky see this video of the aurora shot from Norway in March 2019. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en4eeK33UoE The amount collected also fluctuates to a lesser or larger extent, depending on the quantum efficiency of the collector (pixel). But Live Focus is where the a7III really stands out. They do not perform differently when in a large sensor vs in a small sensor. It has a 24.2 MP image sensor and a high ISO of 204,800 with excellent noise performance. I just got my Sony A7III with the 24-105mm G lens. In images taken at the same time with other cameras not accused of star eating, the Sony showed just as many faint stars as the competitors. That includes simple intervalometers like the Vello, the Syrp Genie Mini panning unit, and the Dynamic Perception and Rhino sliders, to name devices I use. But to develop all the images from Sony, Nikon, and Canon equally for comparisons, ACR is the best choice. Dark frame subtraction using Long Exposure Noise Reduction removed most – but not all – hot pixels from thermal noise. We're a helpful community ... let's make some art together! they turn off during exposures), lit buttons would be very handy at night. But I don’t know if it’s a significant enough improvement. This is excellent performance on par with the DSLRs I use. Switch between Multi, Center or Spot. When comparing 1600 to 1600 from my a7ii to a7iii there isn’t much in it, 3200 vs 3200 it’s maybe half a stop – 6400 maybe 2/3 of a stop. Coma wise, is the Laowa as good wide open as the Roki SP is? For elimination of hot pixels from thermal noise I prefer to use Long Exposure Noise Reduction when possible for nightscape and deep-sky images, especially on warm summer nights. I can’t speak for other Sonys but in the a7III it is not so much an issue of “star eating” but “star rendering.” But Nikons have similar issues of oddly colored stars. The Star Eater is gone. This is because the 4 stops underexposed image was at iso 400, just under the camera’s dual gain system in the sensor. However, like other, i must say on that the star eater is not gone on the A7s3. When used with the Genie Mini (below) the Sony fired at only every other pulse if it was in Single shot mode, an oddity of Sony’s firmware. Also the best thing is ISO Invariance from 800 to 51200 with the least amount of noise for Mark 2 cameras and above. The Sony a7III’s screen is, but only to select an area for auto focus or zooming up an image in playback. With the latest firmware, A7 III, A7R III and A9 all get Interval Meter built into the camera. The Nikon seems to discolor stars only when LENR is applied. Jeff — Thanks for your comments and interest. Intervalometer — NOW INCLUDED! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en4eeK33UoE. ; 1.2 Bracket Settings: 2 sec self-timer when coupled with Drive Mode = Continuous Bracket.. But I invite you to test your own images with various programs to see for yourself, and to not depend on second-hand reports like mine! I find your articles very helpful. [���]shanew21A7Riv / @shanewarephoto 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago (0 children), Going to be very hard to get good astro at f4, [���]Memn0na7iii, a7s 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago* (0 children). Even a supposedly ISO invariant Camera like the Sony can show noise and discoloration in underexposed images boosted later in exposure. Only the latest Canons offer in-camera stacking to average noise, which is not the same as dark-frame subtraction. The a7III offers 4K video and, at 24 frames-per-second, is full-frame. I provide that evidence. https://www.dropbox.com/s/5vhcblsvfyvvoqd/NoiseComparisons.zip?dl=0. Custom Buttons  Sony doesn’t have an “a” model mirrorless. Battery Life The other Live View function that works well, but also needs assigning to a C button is the Camera Settings 1 > Focus Magnifier. 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